what I heard is these three fella called buy tcs and tcs wa, causing alot ppl losing money because keep bluffing tcs wa will go to 0.2..... at the end, the wa expired causes alot ppl losing... I think they have a private group called gumanjie trading... rm800 per 3 months... but some ppl kena rm1500 per 3 months, because they tried to force old member to out because of they holding alot tcs wa in the past