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Choong Wc
Hi Cheng. Bermaz currently facing competition and ageing model. Based on the sales statistics the sale for Kia, mazda has been declining every month
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cheng
Thanks, Choong. You may want to keep an eye on the inventories movement from the report. It remains elevated and moving rather slow. Hence, my personal assumption that its in the low cycle phase; could be wrong though :) I am hoping its a cyclical problem rather than structural. Still observing the industry as a whole.
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Choong Wc
Hi Cheng. Maybe I'm too pessimistic on Bermaz current performance but I believe it will rise again with the right package from their new models. Let's hope it will improve in near term
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cheng
Right thing to be pessimistic, Choong. Not the time to be gung-ho yet until more positive signs from the balance sheet.
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Choong Wc
Too many losing tickets waiting to cut loss plus short selling. Till positive results emerge, bermaz will continue to bleed. Haizzzz
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Choong Wc
Chery raised the pole with J7 phev. Only 158.8k with 1 to 1 battery replacement during the warranty of 8 years. Bermaz really like sitting duck waiting for time only. Haizzzz
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Wei Xuan
Tan Chong 2.0 on the way...
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Ashley Ma
J7 can not sit one。dizzling at the backside seat when moving。kan
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Choong Wc
Izzit? Dun have experience.
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Melvin My
Most EV car has this kind of experience when sitting back.
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Choong Wc
Instead of SBB maybe do something that can give positive or confidence to the market. Be prepare for 3rd quarter announcement
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Yike
better declared serringit dividends
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cw yeo
That is a good one. Haha…
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Melvin My
Hopeless management...haiyaaa
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Choong Wc
Last financial year the Bermaz management fail to forsee the and prepare the threat from chinese cars even proudly mentioned they won't go into price war. This show they failed to gauge the market is not on price itself but rather the products offerings and new innovations. Unfortunately we shareholders have to bear the serious consequences due to Bermaz management incompetence
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Melvin My
And that doesn't stop the management team from making money and enjoying benefits
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cheng
Lets see how it goes next week. It should stabilize after the MSCI balancing yesterday. Bauto, Hibiscus, Drbhcom, Taann and Padini were removed from small cap index. You will observe these 5 having higher than normal volume. Index fund has to sell their position.
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Choong Wc
Bermaz never fail to disappoint daily
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cheng
Local funds/insti shall be the market maker moving forward with no participation from global index funds. Being removed from the MSCI small cap index is a heavy blow - declining market cap and global small cap/growth funds/insti confidence on its fundamentals. Its going to be tough without models & competitive pricing.
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silentgaming 7376
all time low is 945...dont buy yet.
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Choong Wc
Start sliding again before next week announcement
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Michael Saw
业绩可能真的很难看...要有心理准备
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Yuan Meng
业绩会告诉你等0.80才有意思…哈哈
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Michael Saw
是有可能的....0.8来的时候你敢买吗?
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Choong Wc
当价格跌到80美分你认为它不会继续下跌吗?别忘了有一句话,“没有最低只有更低”
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Yuan Meng
机会难得,可以买来收股息…
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Choong Wc
必须看看第三季度的结果,如果真的很糟糕,股息政策很可能会停止。
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Michael Saw
几乎是99%不可能再给之前的股息了,道理是很简单如果你拿着25c 股息这个价格你会丢货吗?压下来都是大户
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Michael Saw
无论如何股息大概就是10%左右 如果到80c 能给你的股息大概是8c左右。 如果那个价买入就不错,条件就是业绩不要再跌了
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Yike
need made car can float then sure high market
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业绩肯定不好得了,你拿11月-1月卖出/注册的车辆数目对比上一季的就知道了。。。
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Choong Wc
Almost confirm coming quarterly won't be good. Going forward the outlook also not good unless Bermaz able to introduce models that able to contribute volume and competitive enough to counter threat from chinese brands and EVs
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Michael Saw
J , T和B牌子已经抢了mazda很多sales. 竞争是在是非常大。 营业额可以说是每况愈下
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Restia
这家公司DPS高过EPS很多,这派息政策真的能够持续下去?
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Yike
want turnover company pocket to shareholders
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KW Chin
好像还底过covid那时的。
原本想低价买,但现在想了还是看着先。
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Choong Wc
With the change of landscape in the automotive industry, is very difficult for Bermaz to reach new high or even recover to previous price in 5 years or maybe longer than that. Even with the new 3rd generation of CX5 coming. Now short term obstacle whether Bermaz can stop it share price from continue sliding to a very low level
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Yike
now is ev trend..minyak car expansive to feed after subsidy cut
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Ken Lee
也难怪。油车每个月油费300块,换了EV 现在每个月充电费不到 80 块。电池保用 8年。
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Yike
lithium phosphate battery quite last than normal lithium ion battery..if blackout can use Ev car as emergency backup electricity
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Yuan Meng
稍安勿躁..!已经有应对的措施…在等对的时机出招…拭目以待
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Yike
BYD electric cars can be used to power a home through vehicle to home (V2H) technology. This allows you to use your car's battery to run your home, even during power outages.
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cheng
Share price probably wont slide too much further due to dividend yield, Choong. Not expecting a V-shape recovery of share price either given the challenges that they are facing now. The risk of lower dividend for FY25 is pretty much confirmed based on the balance sheet for the last two quarters. Last year share buybacks amounted to slightly more than 6M at the back of 26 cents total dividend payout and its approx 5.6M ctd in FY25 at the back of 13.5 cents dividend payout. Fair deal to have lower dividend payout in FY25 given the share buyback amount. Safe to assume that special dividend in FY26 will not be at 7 cents. My personal opinion is that income holders will not relinquish their positions as long as FY26 dividend payout is within 10 to 15 cents range. If the dividend payout goes way lower, then, you can expect share price to go way lower than current low. Just my personal opinion, could be wrong :)
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Melvin My
Quickly launch Mazda EZ-6 hybrid that may save Bauto i guess
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Yike
hydrogen+ Ev both green energy
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Choong Wc
Looking at today price seems like insider already know 3rd quarter result will be very ugly. Dividend maybe will be halt if earning is bad. Will fall below RM1 tomolo
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Tay Tian Siang
Every 1 cent down buy. Treated as a long term investment. 这样买发,股价跌去0.50 也不怕
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Yike
wah got serringit already
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Choong Wc
Yup. Before 3rd quarter result maybe drop more
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Elton Chan
0.94, 2020年的低点。看这一轮会比MCO惨吗?
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Yike
sure more jiaksai.. too high competition
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KW Chin
QR 会抵过mco吗?
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Yike
unless got flying car..baru got trend
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Choong Wc
Susah ini kali. Next year EPF dividend can cook soup already. So many shares hold by EPF go Holland
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SUPER B
EPF smart one. If EPF eat roti, others will eat vege only.
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Michael Saw
Vegetable very expensive now, shiuld say eat grass ba
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Yike
ini Kali sure jiaksai punya.. sure below serringit
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Choong Wc
Going forward Bermaz outlook looks very gloom maybe not all doom. Bermaz management this time really underestimated the change in the automotive market. They bet on Kia Sportage as volume contributor also is too optimistic. Looking at the Kia brand in the past only Kia Forte 6 speed manage to capture some market share the rest of the model never really sell well. As for current Kia sportage is just really lack of competitive features and is too expensive for a korean car. RM 190k for top specs
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SUPER B
Agree, Kia not popular in Malaysia la~ Management should focus on Mazda or other car brands to get more sales.
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Choong Wc
Yup instead of betting on Kia, should expedite the sale for cx60 and cx80. Even though the sales volume maybe not much due to higher price but at least the margin will be good. Belief the cx60 and cx 80 will able to steal some market share from BMW X3 and Mercedes GLA and GLC.
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cheng
the report will be out this week right? lets see how much is the dividend. worst case 0 dividend, max 3 cents?
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cheng
thats right, choong. In fact, the ops margin dipped below 10% in q2fy25 report which is alarming.
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Restia
today CIMB forecast car sales will drop 7% due to the targeted subsidies for RON95. more higher then previous MAA forecast 4.5% drop.
the targeted subsidies is expected introduction in July 2025.
i think this will mainly impact foreign car brand, the malaysia local car brand might eat foreign car brand market share.
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KW Chin
Today will drop below 1.00, maybe 0.95
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Yike
short short short only can win nowadays
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Choong Wc
0.995
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Yike
wah got serringit finally
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Choong Wc
After 3rd quarter announcement sure another round of water shed. Don't hope will get any dividend as sales unit is dropping by more than 10percent every month. By year end don't know how many units can sell. Haizzzzz
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KC Chiok
at least in the past, we knew the management is good!
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Yike
now byd too strong ..other car manufacturers hard day
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Choong Wc
Bermaz should stop SBB as this only create opportunity for short selling because coming 3rd quarter result will be ugly. Instead should see any alternative to grab back market share from chinese vehicles. Honda Malaysia already making move by offering free maintenance and heavy discount
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Yike
sbb for turnover company pocket to own pocket
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KC Chiok
good time bad time normal cycle, always somebody better eventually
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Yike
why tiger so keras don't want dump
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Choong Wc
Tiger?
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SUPER B
Strategy is simple.
You got cash, drop then buy.
You don't got cash, drop then wait.
You don't believe in company, just run, don't wait.
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cheng
~10k units by year end?
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cheng
As for earnings, 10k units means days of 300M to 400M revenue per quarter and 20M to 30M net profit per quarter should be expected. As they are good management in the past as KC mentioned, it should suffice to keep them going.
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cw yeo
It is structural change in car industry. Looking at how the team managed even during pandemic, I am willing to wait. No right no wrong.
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cheng
Its probably timing and models availability, cw yeo. the sst exemption which started in 2020 and extended to Jun'22 drove the sales in the industry. thereafter, ev tax exemption in 2023 and CBU EV tax exemption ending by Dec'25 and CKD EV tax exemption ending by Dec'27. Bermaz missed the 2023 window time frame and all the way to 2024. Xpeng, Changan Deepal are just coming into the picture end of last year and mid of this year. Keep an eye on coming year end budget 2026. An extension of CBU EV tax exemption will be a booster.
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cheng
Xpeng G6 is competing with BYD Atto and Tesla Model Y based on the price range. so far so good. https://soyacincau.com/2025/03/10/malaysia-jpj-ev-registration-february-2025/
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Choong Wc
The sales has been dropping for G6 as well. Initially was 130 units when launched now come Feb only 74 units
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all bauto car brand sales dropped every month , ur "so far so good" looks pathetic
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cheng
Its still ahead from the same segment comparison against BYD Atto and Tesla Model Y. X9 is launched and lets see how its doing at the luxury MPV segment competing against BYD D9 and Zeekr 009 in coming months
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X9 had no competitive advantage against denza zeekr in terms of pricing and specs
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cheng
I used the link you provided in top of this commentary thread to compare G6, Choong. BYD Atto and Tesla Model Y. 131 units in Dec'24 for G6 and BYD Atto 220 in the same period. The drop in BYD Atto is more significant compared to G6. Will be using the same link to see how X9 is doing against the same segment.
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Choong Wc
Ok cheng
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cheng
I am learning a lot about this industry from your sharing, Choong :) from the models in the pipeline, the car data and the share buybacks.
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Choong Wc
Hi Cheng. Don't learn about the industry. Learn how to not lose money or better make money
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cheng
Sure, Choong. That's the goal for everyone. Feedback is a gift and your sharing is much appreciated :)
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Choong Wc
Haiz most important is Bermaz able to find the next Bread and Butter car like the current CX5. If not verydifficult for Bermaz to shine again
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Wei Xuan
when is deepal going to launch reaction always so slow cake already finish eaten by competitors
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SHARE ACCOUNT
this month Qr out...wait guys..if profit drop again not gonna survive
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Yike
sure drop..big bro car laku
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cheng
Speaking about CX5 :) You can try to compare the c-segment SUV data from the link for CX-5, Proton X70 and Honda CRV, Choong. Zoom in to 2023 to 2025. You will notice the following observations: (1) 2023 CX-5 numbers is averagely ~550 to 600 per month; pretty consistent if you will (2) The divergence between CX-5 and the X70 and CRV became obvious starting 2024. CRV took the lead right from the start in Jan'24 and all the way until Dec'24 averagely ~ 900 to 1k units per month. X70 jumped into the lead after Aug'24 and took the lead in C-segment SUV from Sep all the way to Dec'24 with avg more than 1k units per month for the last 4 months of the year. CX-5 on the other hand maintained the average in 2024 until Jul'24. Aug'24 onwards fell below 500 units per month and all the way until now. (3) Few observations that I am thinking led to the divergence in 2024; excluding year end promotion. Please add on if you have additional observation - (a) new 6th gen CRV launched in Dec'23 (b) CX5 launched facelift model in Jan'24 (c) X70 launched facelift with the same price! (4) What's in BAuto's mgmt thinking second half of 2024 for CX5 - possible the planning for 2025 onwards - CX5 limited edition / new CX5 2026 model; dependency on Mazda global launch plans though :) And models availability for sale timing means 2025 maybe a low cycle for BAuto but I personally will not make the same conclusion for 2026 at this moment; not to mention given the amount of share buybacks executed so far. Just my personal opinions, could be wrong. Hope it helps.
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Choong Wc
Hi Cheng. I din when through until so details like you.Really hope your expectations for Bermaz is right. But recently saw many dealers and sales rep from Bermaz really pushing for sales by advertising and posting videos in social medias
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cheng
Alright, Choong.
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Kennon Liew
请问Jaecoo 7 是几时进入大馬市场的??
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cheng
You can use the link at the top of this comment to look at Jaecoo 7, Kennon. The numbers started coming in Aug'24.
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Yike
no more serringit?
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