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Not so much on GenS q4'24 but rather Q2'25 in my personal opinion, Jk. Forward looking if you will. Minion land in Feb and waiting for the luxury all suite hotel planned opening in q1'25.
Stock market is said to be forward looking, pahang kia. That means Q1'25 should be seeing some signs of GenS performance recovery. If the all suite luxury hotel is released in q1'25, q2'25 should be seeing better performance compared to q1'25. As such, Genting/GenS share price should start to reflect the forward looking performance.
I saw the mr beast news. Working hard to keep the visitors coming in :) As for Singapore, need more VIPs - new luxury all-suite hotel is one of the way :)
plan is this year after being delayed during the pandemic. The exact opening date in 2025 for Super Nintendo World has yet to be announced. Ocenarium (1st half of 2025), luxury all suite hotel (1st qtr of 2025) and super nintendo world are the 3 happenings for the remaining of this year for GenS.
probably no change for the 1st half of 2025, pahang kia. Well, depending on actual tariffs by Apr'25. There will be lots of tit-for-tat tariffs from now until Apr'25 :) Flex muscles first and then talk/negotiate - full of drama. And when negotiation fails, tariffs kicks in, inflation rocket high, industries going into low cycle / oversupply, and then, interest rates going down again.
Timeline for New York casino license and portfolio monitoring/risk management :) January through June 2025: Bidders continue to present their plans to local planning and zoning boards.
June 12, 2025: This is the last scheduled day of the state legislative session. For some of the proposals, state legislators would need to approve legislation allowing for the alienation of parkland before the close of business in Albany.
June 27, 2025: This is when casino applications are due. Community Advisory Councils would form afterward and begin evaluating bids by holding public meetings and soliciting public comments. Within New York City, each council consists of six members each appointed by the governor, mayor, local state senator, local Assembly member, borough president and local City Council member. Outside of New York City, each council consists of five members each appointed by the governor, county executive, local state senator, local Assembly member, and local mayor or town supervisor.
Sept. 30, 2025: Casino applicants must complete all land use and zoning, state environmental quality reviews, and other entitlement processes. Community Advisory Councils must vote on any bids in their jurisdiction by this date. Applications that are approved must then submit a supplemental application, including a proposed tax rate, to the state Gaming Facility Location Board for consideration.
Dec. 1, 2025: The Gaming Facility Location Board makes its final decision on casino applications.
Dec. 31, 2025: The state Gaming Commission awards up to three casino licenses and collects a $500 million license fee from each recipient.
First drop of LNG in 2026 seems to be on track. Looking really good for Genting. It mentioned 40% completion and currently laying the keel block. Typical project timeline is 24 months to 30 months. This project started in Jun'24 and 24 months to 30 months means expecting first drop of LNG in 2nd half of 2026 :)
Thx alot cheng! I found the news too... But so far only the edge post it...
Hope tmr will boost the share price abit... :-)
As you mentioned above ... 2nd half of 2026... Genting will start make more profit from LNG?
Vroom it is. Progress in all its segment, Andy. RWS2.0 new attractions planned opening are on track, RWLV new BODs on board, O&G segment making good progress. Buckle up in Apr. And, avoid warrants at all cost :)
O&G segment contribution in the future will depend on the natural gas price. Currently at the bottom. You can use USD$2/MMBtu to USD$5/MMBtu to estimate the return of investment of USD$1bil investment in 18 years based on the contract approved :) But this segment will start to contribute earliest by second half of 2026. https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/natural-gas
profit taking is normal, Vin. You would have noticed the change of sentiments from the commentaries. I offloaded GenM per plan and prepare the funds to add Genting. Just waiting for q4'24 to be released and will add Genting - after qr and in Apr. The O&G segment typically contributed approx 500M ebitda per year and pbt approx 400M. With the capacity of the LNG facility and the approved contract (230mmscfd per day for 18 years), you may get another 500M additional revenue per year based on USD$2/MMBtu and 75% utilization of its capacity. Just a rough estimate and could be wrong.
You are welcome, Vin. Good enough as long as we are making positive returns from the investment in Genting :) klsescreener is a good platform for sharing - prospects and risks.
I don't have much expectation for Q4'24, Vin. There's seasonality factor and Harry Potter that could offset a bit of the capacity lost from hard rock hotel. Assume flattish will do.
Thailand sets out to implement unique safeguards for locals from gambling harm with a strict proposal for casino access in the proposed integrated resorts (IRs). Under the new entry provided by the Office of the Council of State, Thais would have to meet high requirements, such as holding at least TBH50 million (US$1.5 million) in fixed deposits for at least six months. Locals would also choke up a significant TBH5,000 (US$148) entry fee.
Paetongtarn Shinawatra’s government explains that the regulations aim to limit local participation, mitigating the negative social impacts of gambling, like addiction. The proposed standards set up the gaming establishments to compete with global destinations rather than cater to the local population.
Genting no advatanges at Thailand . Same as Cambodia site casino . Just don’t know how it affected Malaysia casino ( religion issue , online casino + now Thailand open 100 of casino every where soon ) triple kill . The fair price will lower down how much ?
Haha. I doubt Genting will participate in Thailand based on the preliminary regulatory bills that are currently being proposed. Thailand needs it badly but IR players may not :)
Its still in the infant stage for Thailand, TN. Even the location is not known yet. It may be attractive for Macau casino operators / IR player with major revenue from Macau though.
Just had a look at it, Vin. Its a positive surprise and I would say GenS has priced in the impact of RWS2.0 disruption. (1) Page 1 and Page 12 speaks a lot about the performance given the fact that Hard Rock Hotel was taken down for renovation starting Mar'24. Full year topline revenue growth of 5% and bottom line net profit shrunk by 5%. Cost of sales up by 10%. Within first half of 2024 and second half of 2024, non gaming registered 8% growth while gaming was lower by 22%. Full yoy comparison of gaming and non gaming showing single digit growth while adjusted ebitda shrunk by 6%. Overall is still a surprising strong performance for both gaming and non-gaming. Cash from the ops looks good (almost doubled the dividend payout amount) and capex was higher compared to 2023. (2) 2023 total tourists entering Singapore was 13.60M, avg 1.13M per month with avg length of stay at 3.79 days. 2024 total tourists entering Singapore was 16.53M, avg 1.38M per month with avg length of stay at 3.56. Tourist count wise registered a 21.5% growth while GenS full year performance at single digit despite higher cost, lower rooms capacity and disruptions from RWS2.0 upgrade. (3) Fast forward to 2025, Jan'25 recorded 1.63M tourists and its a strong number if you compare to the average in 2023 and 2024, and its the highest single month recorded comparing to 2023 and 2024. Page 14 is equally interesting - RWS1.5. AI for efficiencies and personalised experience, Forum for retail and dining started in Dec'24 and will open progressively in 2025, super luxury all-suite hotel and the Singapore Oceanarium in Q3 2025. And Q3 is obviously not picking from sky as if you look at the past two years tourism data, Jul and Aug tends to have the highest count of tourists entering Singapore in 2023 and 2024 :) From luxury all suite hotel to super luxury all suite hotel. There is reason to be optimistic given the strong monthly Jan'25 tourist count numbers. Just a short opinions, could be wrong. Hope it helps.
Thx for the excellent explanation!! Cheng!! :-) Tmr i will buy abit more genting..
Predict for the 2025 full year gens mostly huge improvement compare to 2024... Hope this is the last chance to see genting share price below RM4....
Later on... No. More chances :-)
You are welcome, Vin. New CFO for RWLV - On Thursday, Resorts World Las Vegas announced it has appointed Carlos Castro as its new chief operating officer and chief financial officer. Castro’s gaming and hospitality resume includes leadership roles with Hilton Hotels Corp., Caesars Entertainment and MGM Resorts International, including serving as senior vice president and CFO at Aria for more than five years, Resorts World said in a news release.
In his new role, Castro will “lead the resort’s financial strategy, operational execution, and long-term growth initiatives, ensuring continued success as a premier hospitality and entertainment destination on the Las Vegas Strip,” the release stated. His tenure with the North Strip property began earlier this week.
Pahang kia, End of this year... Disney cruise will arrive singapore for sailing.. I predict most hotel occupancy rate will go up... And super nintendo need to wait for 4 to 5 years... Not so fast
I am not concerned with the net profit figure as shared previously, Vin. If there is any expectation, it will be close to 2bil ebitda, and net cash from ops going up to 7bil from 5.3bil in q3. And maybe a 10 cents dividend; up from 9 cents.
its a healthy retracement, Vin. Not to be concerned at the moment as GenS results has shown that it is more resilient than we thought. GenM MY segment is depending on domestic tourism/spending during holiday/festive seasons which is pretty stable. Gent US segment good results in 2023 was mainly driven by RWLV which has set a high bar; a good challenge for the new BODs as they get their hands on the deck.
The next event will be by end of Apr, Vin. It was reported in the UK media previously that possible HMTM decision by Apr. UK MHRA typically meets on the last week of Thurs and Fri each month. In this case will be on the 24th and 25th of Apr. Will be a restless week for you again :)
Cheng, feel. Nervous after saw your msg... My heart beat was shoot up like 189-200...
Do u think the share price will price in first by next month if the taurx reject or approve...
Lol, Vin. Not a problem with reject as its an open secret that Genting has invested in a few life sciences and biotechnology companies - call it part of sustainability if you will. However, its a totally different story if it is approved :) Significant upside for Genting. The US, Europe and other markets marketing authorization submission will follow suit if UK is approved. First thing first - if it is approved by UK MHRA, TauRx will have to get the products into the UK market within 3 years.
delayed response to the risks that surfaced end of last year, mint :) more to come at least until Apr. Its raining and thunderstorm out there. Dont go out there and stay in Genting first; dividend, growth plans and no impact to min wage, tariffs, supply chain. Beneficiary of lower interest especially in the US and will probably see further interest cut only in second half 2025.
One quarter at a time and just continue to monitor any risks that could impact the footfall traffic or its ability to generate cash from its operations. Everyone's risk tolerance, liquidity situation and rate of returns are different too. Manage your own positions well will do :)
You survived the Aug'24 RWLV complaints + Hard Rock Hotel rooms capacity taken down for renovation period, Vin. This is nothing compared to the few months period. Btw, did you manage to get some tickets during the Dec'24 or Jan'25 period? If yes, you dont need to do anything now until post QR results and in Apr. Well, depending on your own liquidity.
Ok understood! SIR Cheng :-)
Yeah.. I got some ticket around 3.61 & 3.67... And last year still hold above RM4.. Just hold at the moment... Hope everything go smooth... Next 2 days is the nervous day for me
Alright. Waiting for the qr too. I am hoping for a 10 cents dividend if the net cash from ops rises to 7bil and above. A small reward for long term shareholders.